. this is joshua. caller: you said you had studies that showed this has benefits. the only studies i have seen is that by third grade, the gap has closed. they're pretty much on the same standard. host: your question is? what are you asking? caller: what studies? guest: the most famous is out of michigan, which followed a little over 103 and four-year- olds, for decades, to see how high-quality preschool impacted their lives. the caller is right. there are a number of studies that show that the investment -- referring to the headstart program -- has dissipated by third grade. however, some economists have said that even though students may not stay in the same academic class, partly because of problems at k-12 schools, the master soft skills. they're better at collaborating, working together -- there is another benefit that is not seen in test scores. host: ralph from nevada, on our independent line. caller: as a fiscal independent, we do not have any more money for new programs, education or otherwise. let's take all of our bills first. host: is the reaction from congress along those fronts?